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Los Angeles California Knife Laws

los angeles knife lawsIn the US, there are several laws in force on different levels. There are federal, state, and municipal laws, all of which are very confusing when put together especially since they can differ from each other depending on which place you’re in. This causes trouble most of the time, especially for travelers who don’t know much about the distinctions. The knife laws are no exception – just equally baffling and unclear for the most part.

Los Angeles, California is just one of the cities that have very specific, yet vague knife laws. In fact, most of the questions posted were centered on the interpretation of the law and that most of the time you need an attorney to clarify on the finer points.

What knives are considered illegal to possess and under what circumstances?

Under the Los Angeles City Code, Sec. 13.62., it is unlawful for any person to carry knives or daggers in plain view in a public setting, just like other laws i.e. New York City Administrative Code which specifically prohibits the carrying of a knife in a public place in view of the threat caused by its exposure.

This is contained under Los Angeles City Code, Sec. 13.62.020 which states that:

13.62.020 – Carrying knives and daggers in plain view prohibited.

It is unlawful for any person to carry on his person, in plain view, any knife or dagger.

Controversies regarding the interpretation of the law

One of the most common controversies surrounding the law is the interpretation of the provision just mentioned (subsection (b) of Los Angeles City Code, Sec. 13.62.020.), particularly the word “plain view”.

Does plain view mean that you can carry it concealed?

Does plain view only include the knife itself and not a knife in a sheath?

These are just some of the legitimate questions to which we can only interpret in our best comprehension. But going by the letter and the intent of the law, it seems like the purpose of the law is to protect the public from the threat knives pose in plain view. Hence, a concealed knife is allowed on the premise that it cannot cause any known threat or immediate panic among the public, which is mostly oblivious to its existence. A knife that is in the passenger area of a car can be considered in plain view in some cases.

How are knives or daggers defined under the said law?

The term “knife” or “dagger” can be better understood by its definition under Los Angeles City Code, Sec. 13.62.010, which states that:

13.62.010 – Knives and daggers defined.

As used in this chapter, the terms “knives and daggers” shall include any knife having a blade of three inches or more in length; any spring-blade, switch-blade or snap-blade knife; any knife any blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device; any ice pick or similar sharp stabbing tool; any straight-edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle.

This definition has a wide implication especially considering its catch-all provision “or similar sharp tool, any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle”. This catch-all provision widens the scope of the term knife or dagger, to include any sharp tool with a razor fitted to a handle, even if it does not technically qualify as a knife.

Penalty

13.62.040 – Violation—Penalty.

Any person violating this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not exceeding $500.00 or by imprisonment in the County Jail for a period not exceeding six months, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

Exemption

13.62.030 – Exemptions to chapter applicability.

The foregoing restrictions shall not be deemed to prohibit the carrying of ordinary tools or equipment for use in a lawful occupation or for the purpose of lawful recreation, or where the carrying of a knife or dagger is a recognized religious practice.

Conclusion

Knives reaching 3 inches or more are banned to be shown in public, regardless of whether you intend to use it for something legitimate or not. What is given more priority by this law is the effect of the possession of the knife which is panic and undue threat to the public, rather than the intent of its holder for its use.

The intent of the lawmakers to curb the effects of shown bladed weapons can also be gleaned from the fact that concealed weapons are allowed. When the knife you’re carrying does not in any way affect the public, it is allowed to be carried. This is not the case with regard to other states, so we can say that this law is far more laid-back than other laws.

Note that this is not legal advice and state/federal knife laws also come into play. Read the KnifeUp guide to California state knife laws here. Check out the top 3 tactical tomahawks.

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Comments

  1. In Los Angeles, politicians here expect you to carry flowers instead of knives or guns for self defense. That way when and if you are unexpectedly mugged or attacked by a criminal, you can give them a flower for peace in lieu of protecting yourself or stopping a threat. Isn’t it wonderful in LA?

    1. Ya, I’m afraid most of the big cities have been lost to extreme “progressive” liberalism – like much of Canada. In Canada, you can NEVER have a handgun for any purpose other than a collector’s item (and then you have to spend a year qualifying to be a collector), but NEVER to carry under any circumstances for any reason in any area in any province in the whole country. Canada was first to CELEBRATE AND PROMOTE (not just legalize) gay marriage (as though God had nothing to say about it when He established marriage) and in Canada, you’d be charged if you ever defended yourself with a weapon. Your assailant would win in court almost every time. That’s the mockery liberalism and a “progressive” world view make of normal laws meant to protect us.
      Thanks for your comment Jack,
      Pete

    2. meh. if they use the flower(s) as a weapon, dont come crying to me, or anyone of us, if you get edredrum.

  2. I own a CRKT M-16 03KS, it is a pocket knife with a blade length of 3.55 in and I carry it in my pocket using the little metal clip attached to the knife. I am curious if I could be charged with simply carrying this knife in my pocket if detained by an officer. The reason I ask is because I understand that the LA city law states that the knife may not be over 3 in in length so I was wondering if this applies to such a knife

    1. 13.62.020 – Carrying knives and daggers in plain view prohibited.

      It is unlawful for any person to carry on his person, in plain view, any knife or dagger.

      So if it in your pocket its conceal. It ok to carry

    2. I carry the exact same knife and I wondering that too. I also bought myself a XL luzon from cold steel, it has a 6 inch blade and a 7 inch handle but it’s a folder too. So I’m guessing that I cant carry that one but what about the crkt. LA Is so lame and how it goes against state Law

  3. Los Angeles crime city.
    Long ago in the mountains drilled niches plutonium drills and there inflated pavilions for studios. The streets of the city were built several times. Where was the road where there house was the house there are paved roads. The streets were 1000 years in the past.
    But with the evolution or what not can turn of 91 degrees or more. So the left pipe and tubs at the air. 2 metres square stand pipes, and where we were when the floors into the air was welded cast-iron bathtubs. This is because they are building a moonshine apparatus 90 degrees.
    In the town lived apes under the name of Capuchins.
    Los Angeles has many years of existence and traces of archaeological excavations can lead to the 1000 years in the past.
    Proccy pavilions plutonium drills and in modern times renders the new pavilions of the studios.
    But why but why?
    A fire could destroy everything it was supposed to happen! In the city where there is a Museum of death and all the skyscrapers in the traces of plastic surgery where the cemetery Hancock get organic alcohol from brasenia cadaveric remains and so on just must burn (iT Fire).

  4. Now isn’t it arguable that state law trumps city law and California Penal Code states that it’s legal to carry a dirk or dagger as long as it is open carry? And what dictates as Los Angeles? Los Angeles County extends far outside the border of Los Angeles the city and even into forests and agricultural areas, so does this apply even when in a different city that still resides in Los Angeles county?

    1. Travis John, my reply is three years late, but late is better than never, although you may have found the answer already. To start with, the state constitution allows “A county or city [to] make and enforce within its limits all local, police, sanitary, and other ordinances and regulations not in conflict with general laws.” (California Constitution, Section 7, article XI.)

      However, whether local laws may supplement (add additional requirements to) state law depends on whether the state law has preempted the ability to supplement it at the local level, and, specifically, whether the control of knives or knife-like weapons has been preempted (barred) by state law. The short answer is generally, at least, ‘no.’ (See Yuen v. Municipal Court (1975) 52 Cal.App.3d 352, 357 [“there is no relevant statute which expressly states that the concealed carrying of dangerous or deadly weapons is exclusively a matter of state concern. Nor do we find that there is a reasonable implication of such legislative intent that a paramount state concern will not permit further local regulation”].)

      As to the second portion of your questions pertaining to LA County outside the City of LA, the same applies: like the City’s municipal code, LA County supervisor districts and other city governments within the county can also supplement state law.

      Steve Groen
      San Diego

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